800xA Engineering Studio Function Designer vs. Control Builder M Programs usage

Hi all. I`ve recently had conversation with one of my coworkers regarding to advantages and disadvantages of using 800xA Engineering Studio Function Designer vs. Control Builder M Programs for the control logic development and didnt really reach an agrement on what would be the key factors to pick one way or the other. So I would much appreciate if someone based on experience or ABB docs could give us better idea on what aspects of the project or other conditions we should look at in order choose the development environment. Thank you.

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fresher84   

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I am not in aposition to make any official statement ....

AFAIK there has been discussion that further development of Function Designer may halt.

So for a new project, that would make the decision pretty simple.

Rob Lyon   

answered 27 days ago


 


By fresher84 on 4/26/2018 | Like (0) | Report

Hi. Thank you for your reply! How about Diagrams which are also avail in the Control Builder v6?


By Newwy72 on 4/26/2018 | Like (0) | Report

I'd stay clear of function designer having used it for a reasonably large project.keep the engineering inside of control builder the compiling of hundreds of function diagrams isn't a quick task either which just turns them into un editable (V5.1) diagrams in contro builder. with that in mind you may as well just use control builder to create diagrams if you feel thy give you a benefit. I've met a number of instrument techs who like the loop diagram look of a diagram.


By Rob Lyon on 4/28/2018 | Like (0) | Report

Control Diagrams are the replacement for Function Diagrams

Basically Control Diagrams combine the features of Control Modules and Standard IEC61131 POUs into a single programming environment.

Version 6.1 adds batch support and a bunch of other "nice" stuff to Control Diagrams that looks pretty promising.

I haven't used Function Diagrams but the people I know who have used them pretty much describe the same issues alluded to by Newwy72 and Marshge which are basically usability headaches.


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I am not in aposition to make any official statement ....

AFAIK there has been discussion that further development of Function Designer may halt.

So for a new project, that would make the decision pretty simple.

Rob Lyon   

answered 27 days ago


 


By fresher84 on 4/26/2018 | Like (0) | Report

Hi. Thank you for your reply! How about Diagrams which are also avail in the Control Builder v6?


By Newwy72 on 4/26/2018 | Like (0) | Report

I'd stay clear of function designer having used it for a reasonably large project.keep the engineering inside of control builder the compiling of hundreds of function diagrams isn't a quick task either which just turns them into un editable (V5.1) diagrams in contro builder. with that in mind you may as well just use control builder to create diagrams if you feel thy give you a benefit. I've met a number of instrument techs who like the loop diagram look of a diagram.


By Rob Lyon on 4/28/2018 | Like (0) | Report

Control Diagrams are the replacement for Function Diagrams

Basically Control Diagrams combine the features of Control Modules and Standard IEC61131 POUs into a single programming environment.

Version 6.1 adds batch support and a bunch of other "nice" stuff to Control Diagrams that looks pretty promising.

I haven't used Function Diagrams but the people I know who have used them pretty much describe the same issues alluded to by Newwy72 and Marshge which are basically usability headaches.


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When you make a modification in function designer, you need to generate a configuration to control builder via OPC. This can take anywhere from 10 seconds to a couple of minutes. Then you are able to download your program to the CPU. If you add I/O, you can use I/O allocation in function designer. There are times where I've ran into problems with the I/O allocation (most likely I did something out of order) and made the change in control builder.  If you make the change in control builder, you need to perform a Read Allocation from CBM in the engineering workplace. You may want to consider control diagrams as they work directly in control builder. I haven't used control diagrams that much so I can't advise you other than to ask around.

marshge   

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One of the biggest advantage of function designer is, it support Bulk Data Manager (BDM).  BDM can be used for creating multiple diagrams in single shot (using a typical diagram), rename diagram variables and same template can be used to generate code in CBM as well. BDM saves lots of engineering time compare to CBM. Other advantages like signal range, unit.. etc. can be modified/configured in bulk using BDM.  

jobinissac   

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